ONeill got an unpublished manuscript called Five Down at Cielo Drive written by three authors, Lt. Helder, Paul Tate, and an FBI man named Roger LeJeunnesse. Grim said"Ask yourself what it logically means to have "witnesses that vouch for Whitson's presence in the scene." Her Aunt says my friend knew several foreign languages and had a photographic memory back then. The one thing the alternatives have in common, if you bring them to a logical conclusion is.Charlie isn't ultimately responsible ! LOL. That guy was a waste of humanity!!! I'd be willing to buy it if you ever put just a amateurish copy of it together, at 1200 pgs it sounds like you've got alot of content in it, what would make it EXTRA special is if it was indexed, so often I've found myself looking for info on a specific person, date, place, incident, quote, etc and then having to Wade through a million google entries that go nowhere and in the case of some of the minutia of the case not being able to find anything at all on it, Also by "amateurish" I don't mean the content of it but the presentation, I'm not looking for anything put together by a professional publishing company or anything. It should have been MPK 308. So that got my train of thought going and I looked into it. Not now, however. Maybe Whit Reeveson is like an imaginary friend. Just read Joseph Trento's book, SECRET HISTORY OF THE CIA.Reeve Whitson was involved with the TLB case. He was very, very helpful. (For his part, in an interview with Mr.Hatami while researching this book, Hatami told me he has no memory at all of Manson coming to the front door of Cielo Drive, but that the memory was suggested to him by an investigator named Reeve Whitson, who worked for both Col.Paul Tate and the prosecutor Vince Bugliosi. Who is this O'Neill guy? Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . I've used it myself. Lol who knows and also I stand corrected it was a VW microbus Manson traded it for, Regarding Moorehouse living at Cielo I never thought there was anything to it then I was listening to a recorded interview with Tom O'Neill who wrote the Chaos book, he said Altobelli told him that Melcher did let Moorehouse live at Cielo off and on during the summer of 1968, apparently this was one of the things O Neill asked Bugliosi in one of their many interviews for the book, O Neill said he started finding so many inconsistencies between that Bugs said publicly and what Melcher told him privately that Vince got so paranoid that he started threatening Tom about putting the things he heard from Melcher in the book. Read up on their historyI'm in full agreement with you on this. He was living with his parents in Los Angeles. Private Investigator Reeve Whitson CIA? 77 0 obj
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O'Neill mentions the story of Manson going back to the Tate house with a "mysterious partner." Or Sonny Reevwhit.Or Reevie Sonwhit. It's a natural conclusion to draw the he was probably watching Cielo for Folger and became friends with the group for that reason. His mother was a dancer and his father was a world-renowned acrobat. She knew that the others were making fun of the flag, of the establishment. However, I am not disputing O'Neill's sources. He's interesting because he's made up or at least his story is, it's a figment of someone's imagination, I laughed just as hard at this as I did at David Berkowitzs claim of his neighbors dog telling him to kill lol. The Zodiac Killer and the CIA An agent for the Central Intelligence Agency moved into a dairy and cotton farming community of 4500 people situated within the San Joaquin Valley of California. It worked. Thank you, Bunkhouse. But after the murders, it's pouring out of the woodwork {Al Springer, Danny DeCarlo, Virginia Graham, Ronnie Howard, Don Wardand Manson himself as well as other Family members}.Besides which, even if Manson met you and didn't mention a race war, so what ? Reeve lived in 1935, at address, Indiana. He was probably there for the bike delivery, the hippie van delivery and at El Coyote dining. He is asked why he did not revoke Manson's probation earlier and he explains why. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? None of them saw the scene in the daylight and none of them saw the place again after they'd left Cielo. officials, KKK, Satanists, Dixie Mafia, Project Bluebird, and MKULTRA, Lookout Mt. Someone above kept insisting he "popped up out of nowhere." William I think Doris saw that flag on the couch a couple of days before the murders. According to Bugliosi, p. 85, the time was between 7:30 and 8:00. No way this guy was just there to watch. "Speaking of Linkletter, Whitson introduced them to the more famous father:A Strange and Wild Place, by Sandra Macpherson c.2004pg211"Alistair and his wife had come across Reeve while they were in America, and were introduced to well-respected and known individuals, who were also caught up in Reeve's vision. Who. Chaos reads like a bad spy novel CIA spooks MK Ultra Manchurian candidates really just ridiculousEven the interesting parts such as why Manson's parole was never revoked after all of his arrests for some fairly serious crimes went nowhere we've all heard this before I was hoping maybe the reasons would finally be expained but never where don't waste your money there's plenty of really good book's on the subject I believe my collection on the subject is right around 30 books, The craziest thing is 30 books is just the tip of the iceberg, I'd bet if one of the real experts in the TLB community sat down for a few hours and listed them there would be at least 150, if you added magazine articles, movies, TV specials, musical recordings, podcasts, you'd be at 1000 or more. Not now, however. Reeve Whitson slept on a cot in his parents' kitchen, drove a Pinto, and left unpaid hospital bills when he died. If the man had any relationship with the US government, he'd have had health coverage. As anybody who has been within shouting distance of me over the past 2 years know, I consider Tom O'Neill's CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, the Secret Histor. They might have even overcome such dimunitive females as Susan and Katie. He probably didn't mention his Mum or his son but it doesn't mean they weren't in his mind. William Weston said Hatami mentioned the name Reeve Whitson four times in his testimony at the Manson trialNo he did not. saidI think it's fair to say that a career criminal with high recidivism like Manson would have had stringent parole conditionsNot if you take into account 2 things > a] the things Manson had actually gone to jail for in the 50s and b] It was the authorities that paroled him. Ruth Wilson recently opened up more about why she left The Affair and claimed that she didn't feel safe on set. I had high hopes when I read that O'Neil had spent twenty years researching the Manson murders, but the book reads like a confession of failure. Border Patrol agents finally breached the door about 40 minutes to an hour later when a staff member gave them a key. I really loved Peter Levenda's "Sinister Forces" three volume set. He was involved in the two Kennedy assassinations as well as the MLK assassination, the CIA in Operation Bluebird, biker gangs and worked at Lookout Mountain Air Force Station at the top of Laurel Canyon. William Garretson claimed that on the afternoon of August 8 while hitchhiking back to Cielo, some guy dressed as a hippie, picked him up. It's a similar story regarding where the LaBiancas lived, what with all the rumours and theories about Leno moaning about the noise from Harold True's house or chewing out Charlie ~ when a bit of checking will reveal that it never happened. Tate said Reeve was very, very helpful in Tates private investigation. When I learn of Bittaker's death 'I am going to party like it's 1999." There is more to his background, but I skip to Aug. 9, 1969. ONeal's lousy, undocumented conspiracy book? Who is he again ? According to Bugliosi, p. 85, the time was between 7:30 and 8:00. I've never heard of this Reeve guy in my life, and I've been studying this case for years. Those things, and wondering what really went on with William Garretson that night. Little Paul ?If I come across as harsh, I don't mean to. And besides, eventually, his officer did begin steps to revoke and when he did, it was for things that could actually be proven and made to stick. BUGLIOSI:I guess you could say thatQ:In connection with your duties thereto and therewith, did you have occasion to interview the preceding witness in your office in the month of April, 1970?A:Yes. She was probably 3 sheets to the wind at the time. Anybody on parole would be arrested immediately and sent back to prison. Mario George Nitrini 111 saidnice to see you're in top form being skeptical about me..lolI am, if nothing else, consistent on that !In all seriousness though, the dictionary definition of sceptical is "not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations. I mean, to this day, you will find many people parroting it as fact and creating all kinds of mysteries as a result. They could have played a part ranging from major to minor.We know that Reeve Whitson was an investigator of some sort. In fact, it's Bugliosi that brings out the fact that Whitson was with Hatami and his part in all the proceedings is as relevant as any flies that may have been in the office at the time. He also shared this with Paul Fitzgerald who told him he already knew this.But it's not true. I did not mean the 'scene' of the crime, rather the general milieu around crime scene before and afterI wondered about that but it works either way. When Manson and one of his CIA handlers, Reeve Whitson, rearranged the Tate murders crime scene before anyone else got there, they were literally setting the stage for the upcoming theatrical production. I'm almost endlessly fascinated by the number of people who seem to have made it their life's mission to discount the overwhelming evidence that demonstrates that for the most part, things were as they were shown to be. The police report mentioned above said that Dareff was at the house to deal in drugs.I bring this up because I believe the occupants in the house were given lethargy-inducing drugs to reduce their will to resist, perhaps LSD tainted with an animal tranquillizer. He got a call from Reeve Whitson at 7:00 in the morning, a full NINETY minutes before Winifred Chapman arrived at the Cielo house. Perhaps Manson thought he could recruit me at some point?Who knows?But I will tell you this. I've been researching the activities of an old friend's father back in the Laurel Canyon days. But can you tell me where you read that Mike Deasy attacked Charles Manson with a pitchfork at Spahn's Ranch?I've heard the story online, but where is the original source from what book?Thanks so much. And that was after he'd already been mentioned by VB.He said it was Reeve who brought him to Bugliosi during the investigationVery interesting the way you put that. Reeve Whitson was born circa 1931, at birth place, Illinois, to Mervyn Whitson and Florence Whitson. While I'm impressed by the civility here, it surprises me that so many people are dismissive of Reeve Wilson's role. ", Lol "an impressive list of witnesses who vouch for him", all I see is one firmer film company president saying only "he knew about the Manson case", "Richard and Rita Edlund" whoever the fuck they were, Neil Cummings "a lawyer friend" of Whitsons (again WOW!! Extracting Reeve Whitson from this fermentan agent of actual chaos working hard in the shadows of Bugliosi's drug-crazed Helter Skelter psychodramaconstitutes a heroic act of sleuthing.. Reeve Whitson? That makes absolutely no sense. Reeve Whitson was born March 25, 1931. The Manson Family was certainly involved, but they were not the only onesSounds like there was quite a queue just waiting to off a pregnant actress, a coffee heiress, a barber and awell, Wojiciech.starviego said O'Neill cites an impressive list of witnesses who vouch for Whitson's presence in the sceneNot only are they not impressive, you're kind of being rather evangelastic there, with the stretching, old pal. I neither believe nor disbelieve it although I'm being generous there because you've given me way more reason to disbelieve it. It's a matter of public record, I've seen the court documents but I don't remember where, I think those were the same charges Dean and Tex borrowed Melchers car to drive to court for. That is assuming I outlive him. Whitson could have gone into the house after Manson and his partner left, perhaps to perform necessary but mundane tasks such as removing bugs from the telephone and/or other places before the police arrived. He's scared to die now that he's in he's eighties, so I don't see him killing himself. And even then I might not look at it for 5 years. The man comes across as a narcissistic hypocrite who also is a Mark Fuhrman apologist. Her story has changed more than once. That's one of the reasons that there is so much wrong info out there on this subject and why so many ridiculous theories abound and so much importance is placed on anything that appears to be new and vital.So, with all that in mind, just where would information pertaining to Dean Moorehouse molesting his daughters have come from ? Take the Manson murders, which we've all probably heard about ad nauseam. He dumped bodies in Portland and there are a bunch of missing prostitutes in that time frame in Portland as well. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more. What does that prove ? In spite of his disclaimer to Rosenfelt, I think he was part of the plot to kill them and subsequently got involved in the subsequent cover-up of the role of the CIA and military intelligence in the murders. He befriended me and he was definitely a man with a violent past, and I suspect a rather dangerous past. Has anyone ever heard of it?Yes, excerps were in the book by Alyssa Statman and Bree Tate. I thought you surpassed yourself in bringing in such an authority as Quincy Jones to tell us all how Sharon's Dad led the investigators to Charles Manson.but Neil Cummings ! All the other times he is mentioned by Bugliosi.Thanks, Grim, for giving us the testimony. Chapters are as followed: Prologue The Crime of the Century An Aura of Danger The Golden Penetrators The Holes in Helter Skelter Amnesia at the L.A. County Sheriff's Office Who Was Reeve Whitson? My book, CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties, covers a lot of ground, police and prosecutor corruption, secret and mostly illegal government counterintelligence operations against American citizens (like the CIA's MKUltra and CHAOS, and the FBI's COINTELPRO), and, yes, the Manson Family murders of 1969.
But SMOOOCH to you!!!! McGann was nearly certain that Whitson was in the CIA, and found him "very credible. Regarding Whitson's interest in sportscars, author Tom O'Neill wrote in his book Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret History of the Sixties: Or was he himself a willing pawn in a greater scheme he wasn't aware of?The CIA are not nice guys. 2. Ask yourself what it logically means to have "witnesses that vouch for Whitson's presence in the scene." Sadie ? It came with the house. There was no reason to send him back.until there was.Anybody on parole would be arrested immediately and sent back to prisonClearly that is not true. Reeve finally returned home late that night, but never said where he was during the hours he was missing.Whitson told Frank Rosenfelt, former president and CEO of MGM, that he met Manson before the murders at Cielo Drive, and the murders could have been prevented, but no one in law enforcement would listen to him. I certainly wouldn't play the game of being a tease but if I did, I wouldn't be irritated if people didn't take what I said with any great seriousness. What's very interesting to me is why was Charlie, a career criminal ON PAROLE, repeatedly released when arrested with drugs, prostituting young girls, possession of stolen property, speeding and leaving the state. Reeve Whitson passed away at age 63 years old on October 25, 1994. left. ", Another one of Ed Sanders mysterious names with stories too interesting to be true, animal sacrifices, human sacrifices, porn movies filmed of the family at some Malibu mansion, Susan drinking blood and pooping on stairwells, Charlie biting through umbilical cord, blah, blah, blah, The Family is more a work of fiction than Lord of the Rings. Mario George Nitrini 111 saidPlease check-out the comments from this blog-post "leave-something-witchy" pertaining to comments by myself, Bobby, & Ms Katie regarding "The Construction Site"I did read that at the time. Newly unearthed audio of Manson admitting he was part of a special "Federal Protection Program" when he was released from Terminal Island in March 1967 proves Tom O'Neill's contention there was a hands off policy towards Manson prior to the TLB killings. Hopefully I can get on in the next couple of days. Virtually all of the info I've dug up about Whitson parallels what my friend remembers with the exception of Whitson's family ties. All the other times he is mentioned by Bugliosi.Going back to the point about Whitson suggesting the memory of Manson being the one that Sharon looked at that day back in March '69, Hatami has always been consistent ~ he has no recollection of ever seeing Manson in the flesh. L`L,3`v]fUn,^/ {N n^{a
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I can honestly say, I'm very glad I never found out.And as Manson being a musician & singer? I would love to publish my book but I wrote it a certain way and don't want it to be cut up amd I don't want to be sued. He is mentioned several times in the papers and documents of Robert B. Anderson, who was Eisenhower's Deputy Secretary of Defense and then his Treasury Secretary. . I'm pretty sure the last time Doris was in the house was for the watching of the moon landing but I do remember her saying it was there though I highly doubt it was upside down like the pics from Aug 9 show, I can't imagine that would be too cool with Col Paul lol, Just as a general statement regarding the killers you have to take into account that BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION they took HUNDREDS of trips on hallucinogenic drugs in addition to smoking marijuana daily, these people are bound to forget various things that most look at as things that are mere footnotes such as what piece of furniture was where, who said what first, where the flag was, what time it was, etc, etc. Robertson was born in Manard, Muskogee County, Oklahoma, on August 3, 1920 [2] and attended Vanderbilt University before and after the war. He was never convicted of anything that was deemed to be serious enough to have him put back in the years '67~'69.
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